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Name: Keno
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Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Brian Jones, not a virtuoso?
Date: Tuesday, February 09, 2016
Time: 1:45:44 PM
Remote Address: 162.255.158.94
Message ID: 301698
Parent ID: 301684
Thread ID: 301446
I don't know if you are being deliberately obtuse Keno, or whether there is a comprehension problem?
On, so since you don't understand my words, it's me who you feel has a comprehension problem? Or worst yet, I'm obtuse? One thing that is clear about you pluto, is you are very rude. Just to suggest I have a comprehension problem is rude. You are the one who is having problems understanding me, no? So maybe you should look in the mirror at yourself and at your own words.
I have nowhere said that Brian Jones was an average musician at best.... Again in your paragraph on balance, you are attributing to me things that I have never said about Jones' playing, I have not described it as average. I described it as competent....
Look up the word, it pretty much means that you feel he is average. When you google "competent", which I just did, the first thing you get is this: "acceptable and satisfactory, though not outstanding". Without looking up the word, I already knew that "competent" has always meant being average, or just okay. I guess in the UK the word could mean something else beside what we use it for here in the US, and if that's the case, then I'm sorry for both of us, but BJ was far above being competent and or average, and I stand 100% behind that comment.
Yes, you're clueless/smart connection sailed straight over my head.
Your rudeness sure doesn't sail over my head! Why pluto, must you be so rude to me regularly when it is never called for? You always are the one to start in with me, too. I love debating, but not when the other debater starts to act like you do. You take the fun out of debating by using insults, especially once you are proven wrong, just like you did here in this thread.
You said that Brian Jones' recorder part on Ruby Tuesday was possibly the finest example of recorder playing, period.
Yes, and I believe it might be. Again, so what? I didn't say he was the greatest recorder player ever to live though, which was where your answer to my comment went.
I said that if you were to say that in certain company I would be embarrassed for you. In certain company I would be less embarrassed if you pulled your dick out!
See, you are once again being insulting towards me, why?
You would be embarrassed for me since I know Brian's recorder playing in that song is as good as any a recorder can get? Okay Mr known it all, just give me one example of a person playing a recorder in a rock song that is better than Brian's playing on RT. Just one! (I'm still waiting!) As a former rock and country deejay, I've must have heard every rock and country song out there up until the early '90s, and I can't think of any that matches BJ's work on that song! So, which such song is a better example, IYO? Name just one if I'm so embarrassing to you to make such a claim.
... Virtuoso playing requires technical ability and understanding way beyond my capabilities.
But not above Brain Jones' technical ability, not at all!
Again, in your next paragraph you are asking me to counter you by telling you why in my opinion Brian Jones played so poorly on Ruby Tuesday. The thing is I have never said that Brian Jones played poorly on Ruby Tuesday.
You said what amounts to saying he is average at best, so I asked why you feel he played so poorly (but I also did asked you why you felt he played only average, too). So yes, I stretched out the word there, since it seems you were making little of how he played. Well, you were making little of his playing at first, no question, but no, you didn't flat out say he played poorly, so I apologize to you for using that word.
You are asking me to counter your claim, and I'm presuming you mean that Brian Jones' playing on your list of songs was to virtuoso standard. In a previous post you were complaining that all I had given to counter your claims were my words. So in my next post I gave a suggestion as to how you might be able to compare Brian Jones' playing to that of accepted virtuoso playing, i.e. by listening. I suggested that that might be the best way, as opposed to my words.
No, no, no, not at all! What you are doing here, is taking the easy way out of something you can't answer. Instead of proving your point and proving me wrong, you instead ask me to go out and find why you think I'm wrong, on my own, by listening to other music. You need to show me what proof you have to making the statement you made, if you can do that. But don't ask me to do it for you, since I already know what the answer is.
Do you actually think that I never have listen to other music out there before? I have of course, and when it comes to rock music alone, since we are talking here about rock songs, then I can tell you that on the songs I noted, nobody in rock music has ever played those instruments any better than Brian has. Period. Some have played as good perhaps, but not better. As far as his recorder on RT and his sitar on PIB, nobody in rock has played the part better! Nobody!
Now you say that you are still waiting for my counter. I am at a loss. You don't want words, you don't appear to want audio/visual evidence for comparison. What have I got left, Semaphore?
What I have simply asked from you, is for an example! Why does that put you at a loss? I do want words, or in this case, I want to see written words from you, just like I did in my example. But you can't produce a counter to what I wrote! Why is that? Instead you want me to go and find the answer that you can't find? It don't work that way, your opponent in a debate doesn't has to prove your point, you have to do that on your own. If you can't answers my question and counter my point, fine, but this is getting real old dude! You make me out to be some kind of fool or stupid person, when it's you who can't give a simple answer to my question.
I can only repeat, that what I have written is to me balanced and logical with as much objectivity as I can bring to a subjective viewpoint(who said sophistry was dead?).
Sorry, and I'm not putting you down here, but your argument here is a losing one. Not because you don't think as highly as I do about Mr Jones (that's your prerogative), but because you can't prove your point as to why Brian's playing on the songs I noted, were or weren't superior to others and why they would make him a virtuoso. So instead you resort to being rude to me to get by, and everybody reading this is seeing that in your comments.
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