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Name: gomper
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Subject: Sideburned delinquent....?!
Date: Friday, October 06, 2017
Time: 5:57:47 AM
Remote Address: 45.78.104.191
Message ID: 311732
Parent ID: 311731
Thread ID: 311717

Sideburned delinquent....?!

Yes, Frank did hate Rock n Roll. That is well established, although I never did hear that one hilarious quote mentioning "sideburned delinquents". And yes, he himself would never have liked the idea of being seen alongside real Rock artists.

But I think Frank Sinatra did influence Rock to an extent. He was a pop star before there even was Rock n Roll. He was a huge advocate for songwriters, arrangers, other singers, and musicians. He also advocated the "American song-book", the songs of which did have an influence on Rock n Roll. Then there is the whole image, the swagger, than bravado, all of that. That stuff influenced many people in Rock. However syrupy and embarrassing-to-listen to it may be, Bono's speech a the Grammy Awards in the early 1990s about Frank really lays all this out. Sinatra definitely inspired many early rockers. He was also a an early civil-rights activist, telling hotel owners that he would not play their venues if Sammy Davis Jr and other African American artists were not treated equally. What Sinatra did for the music world is utterly incalculable.

If we separate the person of Sinatra from the artist that was Sinatra, I think the case is clear that he belongs in the Hall, especially when you look at all the non-Rockers who have been enshrined.

There are a lot of non-rockers in the Hall. People like Neil Diamond, whose music owes more to Sinatra's than it does to to Elvis'. So I think if we forget Sinatra's hatred of Rock, forget the guy who once nearly beat a man to death with a telephone in front of witnesses and was never charged, and consider Sinatra only from an artistic perspective, then I think he would fit the criteria as we understand it.

Sinatra indeed was repulsed by Rock. But he did influence it and it actually did influence him. His sound changed a lot from 1969 onward and there was some more 'pop' influence there. After Michael Jackson became a mega-star in the early 80s, Sinatra hoped that Quincy Jones (who he had worked with in the 60s) would make him on the same level. Of course, it never happened and while he still made millions performing, his new material never had the same popularity as anyone in Rock or Pop.

I think it will be hard to keep Frank out of the Hall for very long, and he'll be inducted in the next decade or so.

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