Name: Keno
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Subject: Poll Post for the week starting Monday, October 31
Date: Sunday, October 30, 2022
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Poll Post for the week starting Monday, October 31

I welcome you to this week’s Poll Post, where I write about our 3 new weekly poll questions for the week that we will vote on, and always talking first about the Stones poll, which enters week 1,213 of voting, and week 104 of rating the Stones songs. This week’s question asks this: Rate the Stones song “Dear Doctor” , from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“Dear Doctor” Stones song from 1968

The Stones song "Dear Doctor" was both written and recorded in the studio at the very same time, between May 13 and 21, 1968, and then released on their Beggars Banquet album on December 6 of 1968. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were credited for writing this song on what was actually a true, and the very last of, the old Nanker Phelge songs (but only unofficially, since the Stones got rid of using that song writing credit for the band once their overrated manager ALO, got his way and ended what was a good thing for the group in mid-1965). But yes, this song's lyrics and the music was written by the Glimmer Twins, along with Bill Wyman and Brian Jones coming up with some of the lyrics too, as the band just went along in slowing shaping the song into a Country/Blues number. So this one, music wise, was put together in the same mode as "No Expectations" was (and around the same time), but today we seem to only hear about the latter, on how it came about in the studio, since it's been looked at as Jones' swan song, thanks to his special slide guitar on that one. Yet his harp heard on this one was not only a standout part for this song, but would be the last time he would blow harp in the studio on a song, and one must remember, that his harp playing was just as important in the early years of the band as his slide guitar playing was; and it was BJ who taught MJ how to play the harp, and it was after that when Mick became the co-harp player in the band.

Now, I and many other fans find it fun to listen to how songs were put together in the studio before their finial cut is made, and a cool boot recording from the studio for this number, that so many of us Stones fans have on boot (and many, perhaps most?, have it on tape, which means they don't get to hear it anymore... but lucky me, I got it both on tape and CD - yet I still never get around to playing my cd copy of it). This boot has been around for decades, and I see it's up on YouTube now. So, if you would like to hear it again, or if you never heard it before, here it's here: 'Dear Doctor (unreleased early studio take)'. But knowing the Stones current managing team, I won't be surprised if they take this down from YT in time, since it is covered by copyright law that they (Jagger/Richards) half own (with ABKCO). Anyway, as usual, my link to the song at the voting page, is for the official lyrics video of the ditty that came out a few years ago and the version of the song that we are rating this week.

The lineup for this tune was: Mick Jagger – Lead and Backing Vocals; Keith Richards – Acoustic Guitar, Backing Vocal; Brian Jones – Harmonica and Acoustic Guitar; Bill Wyman – Double Bass; Charlie Watts – Percussion; with the 12-string Guitar played by Dave Mason and Nicky Hopkins was on the Piano. To rate this week’s song, just click on the following link: Stones Weekly Poll.

Last week at the Stones weekly poll, we asked this: Rate the Stones song “It's All Over Now” , from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“It's All Over Now” Stones cover from 1964

"It's All Over Now" did great last week, with a 10 being it's top rating while taking in 77.5% of the vote. That's the 14 highest 10 rating for a Stones song so far in this poll. To check out the Stones song's rating standings, just click on this link: Stones Song Ratings & Standings - List Page 5. Or, to see the full, finial vote tally from this poll itself, just click here: Stones Weekly Poll - week 1,212.

BTW, for next week's Stones poll, we will have one extra poll question to vote on in addition to our regular question. Let's just say the extra poll question will be a non-rating poll question that needs answering. So more on this next week!

Okay, let’s take a look now at this week’s Classic Rock Poll, where we enter week 852 of voting and…. are you ready for our newest multi-week poll? Well, if not, I got one coming at you right now anyway! So, here's the question for this week: What is the Best Rock Song about Outlaws or Criminals (Part 1 of 3)?.

Rock Songs about Outlaws or Criminals

In this one we will look at 70 different songs about either Outlaws or Criminals, over the next couple of weeks. At first, I was going to just ask for your favorite Outlaw Rock song, but where there's a ton of Outlaw Country songs, there's few that's been made in the Rock genre, and really not enough to list for a poll. So then I figured I’d ask for Rock songs about Outlaws (not the same thing as Outlaw Rock songs), but once again, not too many such rock songs about that, either. So that lead me to include both Outlaws and Criminals in the poll, and in asking that, I had plenty of songs to list for this poll question, to where we have a 3-part poll to vote on and what I feel is an interesting question. BTW, there is a slight difference between a outlaw and a criminal, but they are close to being the same thing. But my favorite difference is where it’s noted that “The difference between a criminal and an outlaw is that while criminals frequently are victims, outlaws never are. Indeed, the first step toward becoming a true outlaw is the refusal to be victimized.” Quote by author Tom Robbins. I guess by going by that, you can say that an outlaw is a true badass, or at the least, the top of the bad asses out there.

Now, if you been voting in this poll for years, you might think, didn't we already answer this question once before? Nope. We did several years ago answer a poll question about murders only, but of course, not all outlaws or criminals are/were killers, and in turn, several of the songs you'll see listed in the first 2 parts of this question, were never voted on in that other poll series, since they weren't songs about killers.

We'll have 35 Classic rock songs to choose from in Part 1, and then another 35 songs listed in Part 2 - that is, if I don't come up with a few more in the next week to list. Then of course, in the final week, the top 20 or so songs from the first 2 weeks will go up against each other in the final round.

Okay, right now it’s time to vote in Part 1 of this question. To do so, just click on the following: Classic Rock Poll.

Last week at our Rock poll we asked: What was the first true Heavy Metal sounding song? (Part 3 of 3)?

Ray Davies singles that he and his band the Kinks were #1 last week… and #4, too!

Well, we came within one vote of tying the all-time high vote total for this weekly poll and for all the weekly polls on the domain (there's of course only 3 such polls voted on weekly today, but in the past, we've voted on 9 different weekly polls, and their vote totals still count to this day). I wasn't expecting to see a turnout anything like this, as where the first 2 parts of this question did okay vote wise, neither drew anything too big in the vote count, either. Not until Part 3 came around, anyway, did that change. So while the last part of any multi-week poll almost always sees a bigger turnout, I still didn't expect to see the strong turnout we ended up having, before Part 3 started up. So that's always a cool thing. Plus had just 2 more voters showed up last week, we would have had a new record, yet no big deal, that could still happen in the future.

But what about the final results from the poll last week? Gee, I almost forgot to note that! The top song chosen by fans as the first true Metal song, was from 1964 and the Kinks, and that song was "You Really Got Me". I will say, great pick indeed, and I agree. It really was the first all around song to sound like the future of hard rock and metal, before those sounds were really being heard yet - at least in that matter... "Helter Skelter" from 1968 and The Beatles, came in second, and yes, it had an even closer sound to early day metal, but it also was released 4 years after the Kinks number was released. In third place was "Summertime Blues" by Blue Cheer, also from 1968, and another great pick - and what I just noted about the Beatles song, the same could be said for this cover song too – plus I could add that this often covered song was never covered in this way before Blue Cheer got ahold of it.

BTW, I usually don't list anything past the Top 3 in the results - unless we are smack in the middle of a multiweek poll (for obvious reasons, as then I list all the songs that will move on to the final round), but, the Kinks were special in how they had 2 such early metal like songs released in '64, one after the other, and last week in 4th place was that other song of theirs, "All Day and All of the Night"… Two last notes, the top 3 songs noted above from Part 3, all saw 6.8% of the votes each, with 226, 225, and 224 votes cast for these 3 songs. So yes, very close voting. Plus, and of course, the songs listed in Parts 1 thru 3 and released before '64 - all had heavy metal like guitars heard in them, but they lacked the loud screaming vocals and hard pounding drumming that really is an important ingredient to what we expect to hear in Heavy Metal songs, and perhaps why they didn't score as high as the other songs, even with them being released before these other songs came out.

To see the full results from last week’s poll, just click on the following link: Classic Rock Poll, week 851. Or, to see the Top 10 list from this poll, click on: Top 10 List Page, Page 18

We close-out the Poll Post as usual with this week’s Beatles Poll, where we enter week 603 of voting along with week 37 of rating the Beatles’ songs. For this week we ask: Rate the Beatles song, “The Night Before”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“The Night Before” from Help!

Do the Beatles have any deep cuts? Do they have any underrated cuts? Well yes, they do, and this is one, "The Night Before", is an example of both. One of the few and early Lennon/McCartney songs that was written by Paul alone (in the early days of the band, most of the Lennon/McCartney credited songs were written either together by John and Paul, or alone by just John, not Paul, and that's a fact. But yes, Paul still did write a few alone, too, like this one). IMO, this song showed that Paul would in a very short time begin to write as many great songs as John was already writing for the group.

"The Night Before" was recorded in the UK on 17 February 1965, at EMI studios (renamed "Abbey Road Studios" in 1976). The song was then heard in the band's second movie release, their 1965 film Help!, and it also showed up on the movie's soundtrack album of the same name, Help!, which was released in August of '65. There isn't a lot more out there about this song, so let's take a look now at the song's lineup: Paul McCartney – Lead Vocals, Lead Guitar, Bass Guitar; John Lennon – Electric Piano, Harmony Vocals; George Harrison – Rhythm Guitar, Harmony Vocals; Ringo Starr – Drums, Maracas.... But, one last note on this.... According to John, he noted that Paul and George played the brief guitar solo for this one in a true weave, stating about his 2 mates that: "It was the same guitar break exactly, with both playing it at the same time, just in different octaves". If you listen closely, yes, you can hear two guitars playing there (I must say, I never realized that before nor listened closely to hear it, since it is a short solo). So I guess that means that the song's guitar solo, isn't a true guitar solo at all!

One last thing, after you listen to the official release and cast your vote.... Come on back here for an added unreleased alternate audio cut of the song (after all, we did this at the Stones poll, so why not do it at this poll, too?) that should be fun to hear, and which also uses the footage of this song that was shown in the movie Help!... (heck, I haven't seen this movie in years and just seeing this footage was fun to see again, if nothing else). Anyway, no, this alternate audio cut isn't as good as the audio of the song we are rating, so that's why I say listen to the studio cut first and then vote, but after that, well heck, just when was the last time you saw anything from the movie Help!? If it's been a long time for you too, then do check out this bonus clip, and if you are a Fab fan, you will want to see this old movie again sometime soon after watching this clip. So, here's the link to this bonus cut: "The Night Before" (film from Help! w/ rare alternate audio).

To vote in this week's Beatles poll and rate this song’s studio version, just click on this link: Beatles Weekly Poll.

Last week at the Beatles poll we answered this question: Rate the Beatles song, “Baby's in Black”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“Baby's in Black” The front cover sleeve from a special 1970s vinyl release of the song

After not seeing the Beatles song (be it a non-Lennon/McCartney song) score a 10 rating two weeks ago at this poll, last week we returned to see “Baby's in Black” do very well, and yes, scoring a 10 for its top rating, with 42.8% of the vote. To see the full, final results from this poll, just click on here: Beatles Weekly Poll – week 602. Plus, you can check out where in the Beatles song standings this one landed by visiting the Beatle song standings page, by clicking on this link here: The Beatles Song Ratings and Standings page.

So that will do it for yet another Poll Post. We finally saw our first snow of the fall last week here, with it coming late in the season for us, and like all first snowfalls of the fall, this one melted away real fast here in town, and only a little bit of snow stuck to the ground as it was, anyway. Heck, November starts on Tuesday and here in Colorado, only 2 ski resorts are open, whereas usually several are open by now. Yeah, global warming is very real - and it sucks!

I do hope that all of you have a great and happy week ahead!

Keno

• Poll Post for the week starting Monday, October 31 by Keno on 10/30/2022 10:12:10 PM <-- You Are Here

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