Name: Keno
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Subject: Poll Post for the week starting Monday, Aug 30
Date: Sunday, August 29, 2021
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Poll Post for the week starting Monday, Aug 30

Time for this week’s Poll Post, where I talk about what our 4 new weekly polls will be about, and I always start off talking about the Stones Poll first, which enters week 1,152 of polling, and where we are rating all of the songs released by the Stones throughout all of the years.

In what was perhaps the saddest week in Rolling Stones history for us Stones fans, since 1969 anyway, when Brian Jones was killed in the first week of July of that year, we Stones fan mourned the loss of Charlie Watts. At least this time around it was a Stone who led a full life and made it into his 80s. So for this week's poll, as we continue to rate the Stones songs, for this week we will rate what was one of my favorite Stone song as a boy, and the reason why I loved this song so much was directly because of the Stones drummer, Charlie Boy. I begged my mother to buy me a drum kit after hearing Charlie playing a cool drum roll on this 1965 now classic tune, as I just loved that simple drum roll, but all I got instead was a drum pad, since drums were the one instrument forbitten in our house, since mom didn't want to hear the noise that I was sure to make banging on the drums all day long. I was told to learn how to play the old piano down in the basement instead, as the piano wasn’t too loud and she didn't mind hearing me play it.

Now, way back in the late '90s when I was putting my Stones site together, I listed my favorite songs that each Stone played on, and former Gasser Jaded Faded emailed me the other day asking to perhaps ask everybody here to list their favorite Charlie songs (which really can't be done here anymore, since only around a dozen folks have passwords today, as this joint has been a former Stones board for 2 years now, as most of you already know). But, I do have my favorite Charlie songs listed on this page here: http://www.keno.org/rolling_stones/contributions.htm#CHARLIE. As you will see if you visit it, "Get Off Of My Cloud" is that song that I loved so much as a boy in '65, and today as a "young" Senior citizen (hey, it's the last time that I can ever again describe myself by using the word "young"), I still love this song - thanks to Charlie's wonderful drum roll (okay, Brian Jones' lead guitar riff is of course totally excellent on the song, too!)! So here is this week's Stones poll question as we remember Charlie Watts: Rate the Stones song “Get Off of My Cloud”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest))

“ Get Off of My Cloud”,the front cover from the Stones U.S. single

Recorded on September 6 and 7, 1965 and released as a U.S. single on September 25, 1965; and as a UK single, on 25 October 1965, this tune was a major hit for the band, going to #1 on every U.S. major chart, and it also hit the #1 spot in the UK, Canada, and Germany, and was a top 10 hit in every other country where it was released. It could also be found on the Stones U.S. LP December's Children, just in time for the Xmas season of '65. The lineup for this one was: Drums, including and Drum Roll: Charlie Watts; Lead Vocal: Mick Jagger; Lead 12 String Electric Guitar Riff: Brian Jones; Rhythm Electric Guitar & Backing Vocal: Keith Richards; Bass and Backing Vocal: Bill Wyman.

Anyhow, it’s time to rate this song. Do you dig it as much as I always have? To rate this song, just click on the following link: Stones Weekly Poll.

Last week at the Stones polls we answered this question: Rate the Stones UK version of the song “Out Of Time”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest)

“Out Of Time”,the front sleeve from the Stones 7” Decca single

This song did very well, with a 10 rating being the highest score it saw, with 51% of the vote. To see the full final results from this poll, just click here: Stones Weekly Poll - week 1,151. Or to see the updated rating standings for this ongoing series, and see where all of the other songs rated so far have landed in the standings (from the other 10s, to as low as only a 2) in past polls, just click on here: Stones Top Picks - Page 3, List Page 5.

Let’s take a look now at this week’s Classic Rock Poll, where we enter week 792 of voting, and for this one we vote in 2 different Rock Polls for the week. This week’s first question asks: Who was the most underrated member of the band, Cheap Trick?.

Cheap Trick The classic lineup of the band from the 1970s: (L-R): Rick Nielsen, Robin Zander, Bun E. Carlos, Tom Petersson

Cheap Trick is an American rock band from Illinois, that formed back in 1973. They are still around today with 3 of the 4 main players, and loved by their fans for their classic line-up of frontman Robin Zander, guitarist Rick Nielsen, bassist Tom Petersson, and drummer Bun E. Carlos. Carlos is officially still in the band today, but other than on just one occasion, when the other 3 members allowed him to play with them in 2016, when they were inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame, that one show was the only time since 2010 that he was allowed up on stage with the band to play. It's a long story as to what happened between he and the rest of the band (but in a nutshell, he sued the other 3 over the song rights and won in court), but while the others wanted him fired from the group back in '10, they couldn’t do so, since he co-owned the band's name and the publishing rights to all of their songs (including future songs) and well, he still does today, so while he still collects the same payments that the other members collect each year, they in turn don’t have to let him take part in live shows and in making new studio albums. Too bad, as Carlos is a great drummer and it's really the band and their fans loss. I’m not gonna say who was right overall in the dispute they have had, since I don’t claim to know enough about it, but it still totally sucks, to say the least.

But getting back to their early days, the group was formed by guitarist Rick Nielsen and bassist Tom Peterson (later known as Tom Petersson) in 1973. Carlos joined them next and they hired lead singer Randy "Xeno" Hogan as the original lead singer for their band that Petersson named "Cheap Trick", after he and Nielsen were in the UK and attended a Slade concert and Petersson noted after the show that Slade used every "cheap trick" in the book while up on stage. Xeno only stayed in the band for about a year plus, playing live dates with them, but he left before they made any studio albums. He was replaced in '74 by vocalist/guitarist Robin Zande. With their classic lineup now in place, with Zande singing lead and playing rhythm guitar, they scored several hits (well, in the U.S., Canada, and in Japan anyway, while they had moderate success in most other places, other than in the UK, where they barely sold any records. The LP Dream Police was their only LP to made it into the top 50 in the UK (#41) - their best album showing there while the same LP was Top 10 in the U.S. and in several other countries.

Now when I ask this question, when we look at long time bands like this one, bands who are still around today or who were around past the heyday of Classic rock music, we will only look at these bands up until usually around the early '90s or so at the latest, and just forget about any new members who join such a band say after the year 2000. But when I put this poll together the other day, I guess I had Charlie’s passing on my mind and wasn't thinking straight, and instead I also listed the current members in the group today. Now for this group, that's not too many extra people to list, just 2, and both are the sons of the band members, including Robin Zander's son guitarist Robin Zander Jr, and drummer Daxx Nielsen, the son of Rick Nielsen. I only realized what I did about 5 minutes after the poll started up and well, it's too late to change what I got showing in the lineups since we already started to vote. Now I also did list the original singer, and also Petersson's 2 replacements, when he left the band for 7 years, from 1980 until ‘87, and I did plan to list those 3 guys anyway. So it's really just the two sons who are listed as extras for this week's poll question. But with all that said, who in this band do you feel was the most underrated? To vote in this week’s first Rock poll, just click on here: Classic Rock Poll, and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 1” to vote in this poll.

For this week’s VS Rock Poll, we ask this: “Monterey” by The Animals vs “Woodstock” by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. Which of these 2 songs about 2 of the most important rock festivals ever held, was better?

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The Animals’ “Monterey” VS Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young’s “Woodstock”

Now we are not rating these two festivals against each other here (but perhaps one day in a future VS poll, we could do that). This is of course our VS poll, so we are just placing these 2 songs up against each other. "Monterey" by The Animals, was written by the group's members, Eric Burdon, John Weider, Vic Briggs, Danny McCulloch, and Barry Jenkins, about the Monterey Music Festival, which the band had performed at, and which was held outdoors during the time of the 1967 Summer of Love, which was happening in that part of California. The lyrics describe what took place at the festival and name drops several notable musicians who played there in its lyrics, including The Byrds, Jefferson Airplane, Ravi Shankar, The Who, The Grateful Dead, and Jimi Hendrix. "His Majesty Prince Jones", is also noted in the song's lyrics, and referred to Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones, who was an MC at the event. The song was released in December of '67 and it was a Top 20 hit in America, and also in Canada and Down Under, but it didn't chart in the UK, since perhaps the Brits weren't yet in turn to all of this magic that was happening already in the States - yet, but they would soon get it after a while. The song's lineup for this song was: Eric Burdon - Vocals; John Weider - Violin; Vic Briggs - Guitar; Danny McCulloch – Bass; Barry Jenkins - Drums. There was also a brass section playing on the song, but I can't find any info on who played in that.

"Woodstock" by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, was of course written by folk singer Joni Mitchell in 1970 about what at the time was not only the biggest outdoor rock concert ever held, but one of the largest gatherings of people anywhere (while there was more than half a million on the festival grounds, another million tried to get there and were either turned away, or stuck in traffic and never made it inside the fest grounds). This all happened during 4 days in late August of 1969. The event almost didn’t happen, after the upstate New York town of Woodstock, where the festival was supposed to be held and which the event was already named after (full name was "Woodstock Music and Art Festival"), the show in the last minute had to be moved and was held in Bethel, New York, 40 miles (65 km) southwest of Woodstock, instead. Joni Mitchell composed the song based on what she had heard from her then-boyfriend, Graham Nash. She was not there playing herself, since she had already been booked to appear on TV - on The Dick Cavett Show. Her version of the song was very folk-rock sounding, but CSNY's version of the ditty took a hard rock approach to the number, in turn thanks to Stephen Stills, who arranged it for his group, that, and Neil Young's acid guitar riff also made their cover totally different to what Mitchell played on her version of the song. There was also some guitar weaving between Stills and Young heard on the song that was also very cool and heavy. But while the vocals to this cover are excellent, it was Young's guitar that perhaps make the song special, yet he didn't sing at all on the song. This CSNY version of "Woodstock" peaked at #11 on the Billboard Hot 100 in May 1970 and was #3 in Canada. A different recording of "Woodstock" by CSNY was played under the closing credits of the documentary film Woodstock, which was released in March of 1970. The lineup for this song was: Stephen Stills – Lead Vocals, Co-Lead Guitar, Guitar weaving (with Young), Organ; Neil Young - Main Lead Guitar and Guitar weaving (with Stills); David Crosby – Harmony Vocals, Rhythm Guitar; Graham Nash – Harmony Vocals, Electric Piano... with Dallas Taylor – Drums; Greg Reeves – Bass. To vote in this week’s VS poll, just click on this link: Classic Rock VS Poll, and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 2” to vote on this question.

Last week in the first Rock Poll we asked this question: Who was the most underrated member of the band, Foreigner?.

Foreigner The original band from 1976: (L-R): Dennis Elliott, Ed Gagliardi, Al Greenwood, Mick Jones, Lou Gramm, and Ian McDonald

Keyboardists Al Greenwood won this one in very close voting involving 3 of the 7 members listed. To see the poll’s full final results, just click on the following link: Classic Rock Poll, week 791, Poll 1. Or, to see “The most underrated member of each rock band” list, and who’s on there from the other bands that we answered this question for already, click on: Top 10 List Page, Page 16, and you will see this listing at the very top of the page.

In last week’s Rock VS poll, we asked: “Father & Son” by Cat Stevens vs “Forever Young” by Rod Stewart, which song about fatherly advice to a son is better?

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Cat Stevens’ “Father & Son” VS Rod Stewart’s “Forever Young”

In very heavy voting, the Cat Stevens song won the poll in not too close a contest, but it wasn’t a landside win, either. You can look over the results from this poll by clicking on the following link: Classic Rock VS Poll, week 790. Or, to see the results on the VS list page, just click on here: Rock VS Page 2, List Page 10, and when you get there, head on down to the bottom of the page to see the results.

Time to wrap up this Poll Post talking about the Beatles Poll, where this week we enter week 543 of voting, and we are answering questions about The Beatles videos. This week’s video poll question asks us to: Rate The Beatles' video for “Words Of Love” from zero to 10 (Click here for the video)

“ Words Of Love” Beatles video

Now, not to confused anybody, but while this isn't the studio take of this cover song (written by Buddy Holly), it is instead a live take from "Pop Go The Beatles" - Live At The BBC, from August 20, 1963, but - that's only for the video's soundtrack, as we never see that performance. Instead, this official video, that came out about 10 years ago, is film clips of the Beatles from around that time, along with a lot of other stuff from around that time period. So this was made just as regular videos are made today. Many of the clips we've seen before from other sources, like old news clips, and some is taken from the Beatles first movie, A Hard Day's Night. Really, I only first saw this video myself about 3 or 4 months ago, and liked it very much and added it to the band's video list that we still haven't rated yet. Now please remember, it isn't the song that we are rating here (but for a live take it's excellent), it's the entire video itself that we will rate. The musical lineup for this one's studio version, which sounds pretty much the same for this live take, is: John Lennon – Lead Vocal Harmony, Rhythm Guitar; Paul McCartney – Lead Vocal Harmony, Bass; George Harrison – Harmony Vocals, Lead Guitar; Ringo Starr – Drums

To cast your vote in this poll, just click on the following link: Beatles Weekly Poll.

Looking back at last week’s Beatles poll, we asked: Rate The Beatles' video for “Free As A Bird” from zero to 10 (Click here for the video)

“Free As A Bird” Beatles single released cover, with the drawing by John Lennon, taken from his 1964 book In His Own Write

Yeah, you guessed it, another 10 for the top score for this one, bringing in 55.5% of the total vote. To see the final results of the actual vote count, just click on: Beatles Weekly Poll – week 542. To see the results on the Beatles/John Lennon Videos and Movies list page, just go to this page: Beatles/John Lennon Videos and Movies, and look under the “Video Ratings” standings.

So that will do it for this week’s Poll Post. Yes indeed, a very sad week last week for us Stones fans, and I figure that it can only get better looking ahead to this week. So let’s do that and get back to living in the present while not forgetting our past and lost friends and family members.

Keno

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