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Name: Keno
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Subject: Mick vs Keith/Undercover/Exile/Rock videos/Fab LPs
Date: Monday, October 22, 2018
Time: 12:02:56 AM
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Week 1004 of the Stones weekly poll is here along with 5 new polls for the domain’s 3 Rock sites including 2 of them for the Stones Poll, which I start off talking about first. For the band’s first poll this week, the question asks: Who is the better songwriter, Mick Jagger or Keith Richards?
Week 2 of Jagger vs Richards, something that we actually been doing on and off for a few years here. This week we look at their songwriting skills and ask who out of the 2 was/is better at it? While more of the band's lyrics came from Jagger throughout the years, more of the music came from Richards, but that point isn't what this question is asking. We are looking for who overall wrote the better crop of songs.
So the question is simple, who’s writing style do you dig more? To vote in this week’s first Stones poll, just click on: Stones Weekly Poll and click on Poll 1.
For the second Stones Poll this week we ask: Undercover vs Exile On Main Street,which album do you like the best?
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The "Undercover Polls" make their return this week to the Stones album matchup ring, featuring the 1983 released album. Undercover, as you might have expected, is not doing too well in this series, with a losing record of 1-18 and in second to last place in the standings just ahead of Dirty Work - the only LP that it beat. This week is gonna be just about impossible for UC when it takes on 1973's double album Exile On Main Street, one of most Stones fan's favorite LP, and sporting a record of 17 wins to only 2 loses, good for third place in the album standings..
To see the song list for each album, for Undercover, click on: UC, and for Exile on Main Street, click here: EOMS.
To vote in this week’s second Stones poll, just click on: Stones Weekly Poll and click on Poll 2.
Looking back at our first Stones poll last week, was asked this question: “You Got the Silver”: Mick Jagger on vocals VS Keith Richards on vocals, which take is better?
Nope, this one wasn’t close at all, as Keith’s version was picked in a landslide. To see by how much the land slid in this vote, the final results can be viewed here: Stones Weekly Poll 1 - week 1003. Or, you can also checkout the final results at the Stones Fans Top Pick List - Page 4. This one could have been placed on more than one list page including the Jagger/Richards VS series page, but I think it fits best on this song page, so that’s where it will be found.
The second Stones poll last week asked this question: Black 'n Blue vs Their Satanic Majesties Request, which album do you like the best?
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Very, very close all week long - and I wasn’t expecting that, but TSMR did pull out a win in the end by just 2 votes!... You can check out the final result here: Stones Weekly Poll 2- week 1003. Or, you can see the final results and see the updated, current album standings at the Stones VS Page 1.
Let’s move on over now to this week’s Classic Rock Poll, where we enter poll week 644, and for this one we also vote on 2 different poll questions in one week. We enter week 4 of 5 of running 2 Rock Video Polls at this poll. So for the first Rock poll here is the first video question: Rate Led Zeppelin's official video for “Whole Lotta Love”
There's Led Zep in both of this week's 2 videos... well, kinda... The first vid that you see the question to above, is of course pure Zeppelin, with its official video made for "Whole Lotta Love", a song released in 1969, while this official video came about several years later, taken from a live show where they played the song - but the music heard in the video is not from the live show, but instead from the studio single release. The song itself was the opening track on the band's Led Zeppelin II LP. It went to #1 in a few countries and to #2 in the U.S., but wasn't released as a single in the UK.
Led Zep was sued over this song by Willie Dixon, who had wrote the song "You Need Love", which was recorded by Muddy Waters in 1962, and there's no question that many of the lyrics in the Zeppelin song are almost the same as what is in the Dixon number. We just talked here last week about the Stones lifting some lyrics from old songs, but Led Zep was known as being even worst in this regard and was sued more often than other Rock band on this issue. They would lose this lawsuit filed by Dixon in time, so they had to pay him a large sum of money over it and also credit him on all future reissues or printing of the lyrics to the song. Jimmy Page however, did come up with the very cool guitar riff for the song and his musical credit was allowed to be kept on there along with the other band members, as the problem was in the lyrics only.
To vote in this week’s first Rock poll video poll, just click here: Classic Rock Poll, and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 1” to vote on this question.
For our second Rock poll video question, we ask: Rate Donovan's official video for “Hurdy Gurdy Man”
First, if you haven’t seen any pictures of Donovan in 40 years, no, that photo above isn’t how he looks today as an old man in his 70s, but it is a real life hurdy gurdy man named Jiri Wehle, and it gives us a great view of the instrument that few play today and covers what the song is about. But no, there’s no hurdy gurdy played on this song at all, nor shown in the video for that matter.
Released as a single in early 1968, Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man" was a Top 5 hit. It also has 3 of the 4 future Zeppelin members playing on it, too. But no, like the hurdy gurdy, Led Zep isn't shown at all in this video. But this song was really the first time Led Zep, minus Robert Plant, played on a song together. Well - maybe not together - but separately, as they weren’t recorded together. It was disputed for a while if the drummer playing on this song was even John Bonham - even if it totally sounded like him banging on the skins in his own unique way, and also if Jimmy Page was actually the lead guitar player or not (and again, even if it sounded exactly like Page's own unique style of guitar playing). But Donovan more than once has tried to put that talk to rest, saying first on notes on one of his greatest hits LPs released in the 1992 that yes, it was both Bonham on the drums and Page on the lead guitar after all, and then Page himself said he did indeed play guitar on the song, after at first saying it was guitarist Alan Parker. No question that John Paul Jones plays the bass on the song while Donovan plays acoustic guitar and the tambura heard. Yet it was JPJ who started the talk that it wasn't Bowman or Page on there, since when he recorded his part, drummer Clem Cattini was on the drums and Allan Holdsworth was playing guitar while in the studio with him, which Donovan noted as also true for the first session held for the song in 1967. But those 2 guys' session work wasn't used on the final released track, as Holdsworth himself noted this just before he passed away in 2017.
On a side note that only Stones fans might know, is a Stones' family member who shows up in the song's video, that being Julian Jones, the son of Brian Jones and Linda Lawrance (you can also see Linda in the very beginning of the vid, too). Julian is the stepson of Donovan, who raised him along with his mom. Back in the late '90s, Julian had gotten ahold of me via email to ask me a few tips about his then web site, and we exchanged a few other emails after that, and in one of them I asked if it was he shown as a little boy in this video, since I had read at the old Stonesworld board that it was, and he did confirm that indeed it was him in there. He's shown just after the first minute into the vid, and then again at the ending, although he looks a bit different the second time he's seen since the video covered a 2 to 3 years’ time span. But damn does he look just like Brian, especially in that second shot. Julian noted to me that yes, he actually knew his blood father well, up until BJ's death. We had been told otherwise about BJ and all of his 5, or was it 6 children, but Jillian was close to him. Brian, Donovan, and Linda were close friends and they all hung out together often enough up until BJ's passing.
But getting back to the video for "Hurdy Gurdy Man", Julian also noted to me that this video was (like the Zepplin video), not released until a few years after the song was released, with some parts of it filmed around the time the song was recorded (in 1968) and while other parts were filmed up until around 1969-70 or so - and then the film was released after that. You got to remember that there weren't true videos being made yet in the late '60s, they were a brand new thing back then and it wasn't unusual in those days if a song's videos weren’t release until a few years after the songs were. In this case, the stuff recorded and used for the video wasn't even filmed for the song - some of it came from personal film made of Donovan's family, other stuff came from TV shows that Donovan had been on. So the video was taken from that stuff and used later for the song when one of Donovan's greatest hits LPs came out years later. But it is considered an official video for this song today anyway.
To vote in this week’s second Rock poll, just click here: Classic Rock Poll, and when you get to this page, choose “Poll 2” to vote on this question.
Looking back at last week’s first Rock poll, it asked: Rate Elton John's 1972 live performance of “Crocodile Rock”
Well the consecutive streak of Rock videos scoring a 10 for its top pick finally came to an end at 8, as this question’s top pick was only a “9”. Yeah, only a 9, like that’s a bad score, LOL!
To see the full results from this poll, just click here: Classic Rock Poll 1, week 643. To see how the other videos that we have rated so far for this Rock poll have done, go here: Top Ten Lists, Page, 14. It’s the second listing on the page.
Looking back at last week’s second Rock video poll, the question was: Rate Meat Loaf's official video for “Paradise by the Dashboard Light”
Well this video didn’t do quite as well in the voting as the first poll video question did – yet its top pick – unlike the EJ video, was a 10, and perhaps starting a brand new streak of tens for the Rock videos top pick?
To see the full, final results from this second Rock poll, just click here: Classic Rock Poll 1, week 643. Plus again, to see how the other videos that we have rated so far for this Rock poll have done, and where this video fits into the list, please go here: Top Ten Lists, Page, 14. Again, it’s the second listing on the page.
I close out this poll post as I always do, with the Beatles poll, where we enter week 397 of voting, and ask this new question: With the Beatles vs Please Please Me, which album do you like the best?
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Week 2 of the “Beatles within us” Polls, featuring the LP With the Beatles.
This week With the Beatles takes on the Beatles debut album, 1963’s Please Please Me.
To see the song list for each album, for With the Beatles , click on: WTB, and for Please Please Me, click here: PPM.
To vote in this poll, please go here: Beatles Weekly Poll.
In last week's Beatles poll we asked: With the Beatles vs Help!, which album do you like the best?
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Another week and another very close weekly Beatles poll! You can click here to find out which LP came out on top here: Beatles Weekly Poll – week 396. Plus the results will also show up on the The Beatles' Albums Page over at the Lennon site.
So with that I close out this poll post. As always, I thank all of you who take the time to vote in our polls each week, and I hope all of you have a great week ahead!
Keno
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