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Posted by Keno on April 05, 1999 at 17:32:05:
In Reply to: Beatles versus Rolling Stones (the whole post) posted by Lord Voodoo on April 05, 1999 at 14:17:32:
: I would hope that we can all (us sane people that is) agree on this. The two greatest Rock and Roll Groups ever were the Beatles and the Rolling Stones.
Yes, there are those who might argue for the Jimi Hendrix Experience or Led Zeppelin or even the Grateful Dead and Bob Marley.
They along with the Kinks, Who, Dylan, Doors and a few others all helped and were needed in their own different way. Rock musice was still new and delovoping and they all played a part getting that mold together.
:......You can try to argue this but try comparing Rubber Soul to Between the Buttons or Aftermath, and the Beatles always win. Its just one of those albums.
Funny, I been listening to Ruber Soul a lot lately. Its the best of the early Beatles albums. So many of the songs on there had double meanings. Most people did not know in the mid 60s that Norwgian Wood was slang for Marijuana or what John meant in the last line of that song. Same thing with the song Girl, which was in part about the same weed (did you ever notice the sound of someone sucking on a roch in that song, its clear as day if you know what that sounds like, most people back then did not know). Aftermath was a great album in its own right, I say both albums are masterpieces.
: When you compare Magical Mystery Tour, Abbey Road, The White Album, and Let it Be to Beggar's Banquet, Let it Bleed, Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main Street, the Stones clearly dominate musicaly. But the Beatles were remembered as better during those times.
You can't count Exile or SF, the Beatles were already dead by then. I feel the Beatles last few albums were amoungst their best stuff.
:"The White album is the greatest double album of all time" Frankly its a distant 3rd to Exile and Electric Ladyland. Most musicians I think would give you that.
To me, The White Album is the best double album ever, but most of you know how I feel about Exile.
: After Sgt Pepper the Beatles were relying on their fame to sell what I consider a second rate effort.
No way, IMO, they put out some of their best stuff after that.
: What if the Stones had quit with Tattoo You or even Undercover or Dirty Work. The fact that many non fans view them as old men and a joke can only hurt their non fan standing. They don't remember Gimme Shelter, they remember Start Me Up. And that's alot to do with the Steel Wheels Tour. I have few friends that thought Start Me Up was from Steel Wheels. They don't remember Happy, they remember Miss You. That has to do with the fact that the song was played on every tour until 99 from 1978. The don't remember Street Fighting Man, they remember Anybody Seen My Baby. With those memories over the old ones I would also rank the Stones lower.
I agree that some of the olders songs are lost just because they are still around and when listening to the radio you are gonna hear SFM less because you are also gonna hear ABSMB. With the Beatles and most other dead groups, you are just gonna hear their old classic stuff since there is no new songs.
: Part of Zeppelins and the Beatles greatness is that they never really got a chance to fall apart. Bonzo dies, and Zeppelin quit. The Beatles broke up. In my opinion, the last two or three albums by both of these bands were considerably weaker than thier previous work. Those bands had a 10 year shelf life and those 10 years were over. The stones were just beginning to enter stage 2 after ten years. Could you imagine if they had stopped after Some Girls. They would have been known as the greatest band ever by far.
Good point, but once again, disagree with what you say about the Beatles last three.
: Those are my feelings on this issue, pehaps this will spark some debate. Also, if you respond to this, try to keep it muture, just a bit. I know that some of us are in 3rd grade, so if you are in 3rd grade, respond "Beatles suck" but if you actually have an opinion and can back it up.
That's a great ending to a good post!