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Subject: Poll Post for the week starting Monday, November 7
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Poll Post for the week starting Monday, November 7

Welcome to our latest Poll Post! This week, like we did years ago, we'll vote in 4 instead of the now usual 3 weekly polls a week (actually, it really wasn't that many "years ago" at all when we last voted in 4 polls a week, but it was many years ago when we voted in 5 new weekly polls a week). Anyway, as I noted last week, the extra poll is being run at the Stones Poll, as I have a question that should have been asked several years ago, but which somehow slipped out of my view in my future poll file. So, for week 1,214 of the Stones Poll, I'll write about the main Stones poll first, or if you prefer, the first Stones poll that we will vote in this week, and to start off this doubleheader of voting, yes, I'll talk about our Stones rating poll, the nonstop series where once a week, along with its one song at a time policy, we are in the very slow process of rating all of the band's songs, with this being week 105 of doing just that. So, here's the rating question for this week: Stones Poll Week 1214 (Poll 1): Rate the Stones song “Fingerprint File” , from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“Fingerprint File” sheet music

"Fingerprint File" was first worked on and recorded in November of 1973 and then picked up again in April and then was finished up in May of 1974, and released on the LP It's Only Rock 'n Roll in October of that same year.

Funk rock from the Stones was what this one was, and unlike some of their other such funk tunes, this one was, IMO, totally excellent indeed! Ahead of its time, as some of the lyrics were rapped, but no, not in the way rappers of today rap, but what MJ has to say is still a rap, never less. The song, which was purely the perfect way to end the IORR album, is about being spied upon by the government, something that the Stones knew about in real life, especially in the 1960s and early to mid ‘70s (and for the Stones, they were having this done to them by several different governments).

Just for the heck of it, I’ll note that this song was voted on by Stones fans here at this Stones poll, back in the week of September 17, 2007, as being the #1 Stones Song, which was ahead of its time when released.

Here is the lineup for this number: Mick Jagger: Lead and Backing Vocals, Rap, Rhythm Guitar; Mick Taylor: Electric Guitar (wah-wah pedal), Bass Guitar, Synthesizer, Backing Vocal; Bill Wyman: Synthesizer; Keith Richards: Electric Guitar, Backing Vocal; Charlie Watts: Drums; with Billy Preston on Piano and Clavinet and the Tabla played and heard on the song was credit to "Charlie Jolly" on/in the album's credits, but his actual real name is: Jolly Kunjapp. Why did the Glimmer Twins list his name wrong? Who knows why, I can only say that this wasn't the first time they listed a person's name wrong in a song’s or LP’s credits, and when this happens at times on other non-Stones albums, it means the person in question was under contract to a different record company and therefore their real names couldn’t be used on a record album issued by another label. But in the cases where the Stones did this, it appears that wasn't the case... so again, who knows for sure. To rate this week’s song, just click on the following link: Stones Weekly Poll, and use the link for “Poll 1” to vote on this question.

Okay, now it’s time for that second Stones poll that we are voting on for this week, and for this bonus poll, for one week only, we will return to the old Stones verses poll (ran on the domain before there was even a Rock VS Poll) and a question that I never got around to asking years ago back when this series was happening. So, here's this week's second Stones Poll question: Stones Poll Week 1214 (Poll 2): “Shine A Light” vs “Get A Line on You”, which version of this Stones song do you like better?

The song that in time would officially be called “Shine A Light”, was first recorded in March, 1968 and at the time titled "Get a Line on You". A second take was then recorded in March of 1969. Mick Jagger wrote the song about his soon to be departed bandmate, Brian Jones. After BJ died, Jagger rewrote the lyrics and retitled the song "Shine A Light", and released it in that form. "Get A Line on You" itself was never released, other than there were 2 different boots of it around, and at least one of those boots is found all over YouTube today. The main music that was used on both versions of the song, was written up by Leon Russell, who had a song that he was working on in the studio one day when Jagger dropped in to sing backing vocals on another solo song that Russell was also recording that day. Jagger liked what he heard on this one song, music wise, and suddenly, what was to become "Get a Line on You/ Shine A Light", took place, as Mick asked Russell if he could save the song's music for a future Stones song. He did, and Jagger invited Russell to join the band in the studio in March of '68 to record the song with them, which Jagger had written lyrics to. Russell ended up playing both piano and organ on the tune, and all 5 of the Stones played on this song, although the band's productor, Jimmy Miller, took over the drumming for Charlie Watts when the song was reworked on in a second take, which was recorded a year later in March of '69. In the usual Stones mode, Russell wasn't ever credited for his music to this song, even after it was released by the Stones as "Shine a Light, in 1972. Something that Leon remained very upset about until his dying day in November of 2016. Yep, once again, the Glimmer Twins ripped off another fellow musician by not crediting them for what that person first wrote. When you think about it, this happened so often, that it's almost hard to believe, but sadly, all of these stories that we've been told about on these things happening, all appear to all be true.

For the released version of "Shine a Light", Mick Jagger had rewritten the lyrics in early 1970, after Brian died (in July of 1969), and as like the old lyrics, the new updated lyrics were also about him, only now reflecting that he had passed away. The third take of this song (but which was the first take with the new lyrics and title), happened in July of 1970, then worked on again in March of 1972 and finally released on Exile On Main Street later in that same year. This released version of "Shine A Light" only featured 3 of the Stones, Jagger, Wyman, and BJ's replacement in the band, Mick Taylor. Richards was having major problems with his heroin addiction at the time and missed out on many of the EOMT sessions, even after the band moved the LPs sessions to his mansion in France, to record the double LP at his place, so they didn't have to wait around for him to show up. But even doing that didn’t work out too well, as often he still didn’t show up, as was the case for this number. Keith had suggested to Jagger, after he missed playing on the song’s new version, that his old guitar part from “Get a Line on You” could be used in the new version, since the main music being played was the same. But Jagger, who was by this time taking over the leadership role in the Stones, preferred Mick Taylor’s guitar playing on the song over Keith’s playing (or perhaps, it was just MJ’s way of making his bandmate pay for his missing the song’s sessions?).

The lyrics to this updated and now titled tune, "Shine a Light", while being a bit kinder to Brian, still kept in some of the nasty words from the original, including the lyric "Just seemed to be too many flies on you", not a kind thing to say at all about a dead friend, since as we all know how dead bodies attract flies. Jagger could have just dropped those lyrics instead of adding to them in the next, newly written line: "...I just can't brush them off". But then the lyrics that followed, were very kind indeed to his late friend, especially after some in the religious right, actually claimed that Brian was now burning in Hell, and just waiting down there for his fellow bandmates to join him. But MJ made it clear in the new lyrics that his lost bandmate was being called up to heaven by angels: "Angels beating all their wings in time, with smiles on their faces and a gleam right in their eyes..." followed by the angels sighing "Come on up, come on up, now, come on up now".

There will of course be links to both songs on the voting page, and here are the lineups for the 2 songs: For "Get A Line On You", the Vocals were sung by Mick Jagger; Electric Guitar: Keith Richards; Slide Guitar: Brian Jones (w/ Keith on slide for the second '69 take); Bass: Bill Wyman; Drums: Charlie Watts (w/ Jimmy Miller on Drums for the '69 take); with the Keyboards played by Leon Russell. Note: Do not believe the nonsense noted in a few comments at YouTube that Ringo Starr played the drums on this song for the Stones. It's not at all true. However, Ringo did play the drums on this song for the Leon Russell's version of it, along with Jagger on the vocals, recorded in '69, but not released until the early '90s). For "Shine A Light", Lead Vocals sung again by Mick Jagger; Electric Guitar: Mick Taylor; Bass: Bill Wyman; with the Drums played by Jimmy Miller; Piano & Organ handled this time by Billy Preston, and the Backing Vocals sung by Clydie King, Joe Green, Venetta Field & Jesse Kirkland. To vote in this poll, we have the same link as above for Poll 1: Stones Weekly Poll. For this question, just click on the link to “Poll 2” to vote in this VS poll.

Last week at the Stones weekly poll, we asked this: Rate the Stones song “Dear Doctor” , from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“Dear Doctor” Stones song from 1968

"Dear Doctor", back about 15 or so years ago, was voted by Stones fans here - in this same Stones poll, to be the “Least Favorite Song on Beggars Banquet". So, if that was the case, I guess it was gonna see a low rating, right? Nope, not all. In fact, it’s top rating was a 10, taking in 32.3% of the vote! So, just how can this be explained? Well, there are many flat-out great songs on that LP, and one song had to be picked. But perhaps this one has grown on us Stones fans since that poll was run? While I myself never looked at it as my least favorite song on that great LP, I did only give it a 7.6 rating back in 1998 when I rated songs on the LP, yet the last time I rated it, in 2018, I had it up to a 9. When I voted for it last week, I gave it a 10, as yes, it just keeps growing one me. How did you rate this one? To see how your fellow fans rated it, and to check out the final vote tally from this poll, just click on here: Stones Weekly Poll - week 1,213. Then, you can also check out the Stones song's rating standings and see where in the standings this one ended up compared to other songs that also scored a 10, by clicking on this link: Stones Song Ratings & Standings - List Page 5.

Okay, let’s move on over to this week’s Classic Rock Poll, where we enter week 853 of voting and the second part and week of our latest multi-week poll, where the question is asking this: What is the Best Rock Song about Outlaws or Criminals (Part 2 of 3)?.

Rock Songs about Outlaws or Criminals I prefer this type of poster than the one I used last week, even if this one doesn’t really apply to the question

Okay, Part 2 of this question will give you another 35 Classic Rock songs to choose from that are about Outlaws or Criminals. Then of course, in the final week, the top 20 or so songs from the first 2 weeks will go up against each other in the closing round. Everything else noted last week still applies for this week, and now it’s time to vote in Part 2 of this question. To do so, just click on the following: Classic Rock Poll.

Last week at our Rock poll we asked What is the Best Rock Song about Outlaws or Criminals (Part 1 of 3)?.

Rock Songs about Outlaws or Criminals

Lots and lots of close voting and a few ties in the final results from Part 1, which I normally hate, but not so much in a middle round of a multi poll, since only the finial round counts in the end. But here is the Top 11 songs that made it into Part 3 from last week: Maxwell’s Silver Hammer – The Beatles (190 votes, with 5.8% of the total votes); Bohemian Rhapsody – Queen (189, 5.8%), Desperado - Alice Cooper (the band) (189, 5.8%), Hey Joe – Jimi Hendrix (189, 5.8%); Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap – AC/DC (188, 5.7%); The Ballad of Billy the Kid - Billy Joel (187, 5.7%); Tweeter And The Monkey Man - The Traveling Wilburys (186, 5.7%); Twilight Zone – Golden Earring (185, 5.6%), You Don’t Mess Around With Jim - Jim Croce (185, 5.6%); Friend of the Devil - The Grateful Dead (179, 5.5%), Hand of Fate - The Rolling Stones (179, 5.5%).

To see the full results from last week’s poll, just click on the following link: Classic Rock Poll, week 852. Once the voting finishes up after Part 3 runs in another week, the Top 10 list from this poll’s top vote getters will show up on this page here: Top 10 List Page, Page 18.

As usual, we finish up the Poll Post talking about this week’s Beatle Poll, where we enter week 604 of voting along with week 38 of rating the Beatles’ songs. For this week we ask: Rate the Beatles song, “We Can Work It Out”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“We Can Work It Out” from 1965

"We Can Work It Out" was one of those rare Lennon/McCartney songs that was actually written by both Paul and John together, with Paul writing the opening lyrics of the song and John writing the second batch of lyrics about life being very short, etc. John later on had this to say about the song and putting it together with Paul: "In ‘We Can Work It Out’, Paul did the first half, I did the middle eight. But you've got Paul writing, 'We can work it out, we can work it out' - real optimistic, y'know, and me impatient, 'Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend'." The two also wrote the music together, too, with input from George Harrison on how the guitar should sound, yet once the song was recorded, George didn’t even play guitar on this one, which was a very rare thing indeed for a Beatles song, especially in 1965!

The song was part of a double A side single with “Day Tripper”, and together they both went to #1 on the charts in the UK, U.S. and also in Canada and 7 other major countries, and Top 5 or better in the remaining 3 countries where it released was a single. In the States, it was The Beatles' sixth single in a row to top the US charts, which at the time, no other band had done before. World-wide, it ended up being the seventh highest selling single of the 1960s. The song itself was recorded during the sessions for the band's Rubber Soul album and was going to be on there until they decided to release it as a single instead. Smart move, indeed! It did also show up on the U.S. LP Yesterday and Today, in 1966, too.

The lineup for this one was: Paul McCartney – Lead Vocal, Bass Guitar; John Lennon – Vocal Harmony, Acoustic Guitar, Harmonium; George Harrison – Tambourine; Ringo Starr – Drums.

To vote in this week's Beatles poll and rate this one, just click on this link: Beatles Weekly Poll.

Last week at the Beatles poll we answered this question: Rate the Beatles song, “The Night Before”, from zero (lowest) to 10 (highest).

“The Night Before” from Help!

“The Night Before” scored a 10 for its top rating, with 32.7% of the vote. To see the full, final results from this poll, just click on here: Beatles Weekly Poll – week 603. Plus, you can check out where in the Beatles song standings this one landed by clicking on and visiting this page here: The Beatles Song Ratings and Standings page.

So that finishes up this week’s Poll Post. If you live where I live, that is, in the U.S., then you more than likely know what takes place on Tuesday, as it’s, Election Day and time for the very important midterm voting. From what so many of these fascist Republicans are saying, that if they don’t win, then the election will have been stolen (unfucking real!), I guess – unless most Americans lose their minds and actually vote them into office, and in some places that might and can happen, but if all of them, or even if just a few of them lose, I guess we will see new riots in the streets, like when Trump had his ass kicked out of office, since these fascists have said they won’t accept anything less than a win. Arizona seems to have the wackiest right-wing people living in that one state and running for office, out of all the other states. Glad I don’t live there and I live in a safe state, but even here we have a few total nut jobs on the far right. There really isn’t a single state that is 100% safe from these loonies. To think that is what this once great country has come to, very sad (and sickening) indeed, and all of this BS started with Trump!

I do hope that all of you sane people do vote (or if you’re like me, you already voted) and I also hope that all of you also have a great and happy week ahead!

Keno

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