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Name: Keno
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Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Brian's leaving the group
Date: Saturday, January 13, 2018
Time: 6:53:11 AM
Remote Address: 66.36.114.222
Message ID: 313515
Parent ID: 313513
Thread ID: 313463
Well I said that myself if you read back some here. Then again, I'm not even sure what part you are questioning in your last reply. But if it's the part I think you are referring to here, the music and what MT played, he himself has talked about this, as has Charlie and MJ. MT didn't even know when he went into the studio that day to record his part, what was up. He said that he didn't even known that the Glimmers were't gonna be there, he thought it was just gonna be a normal Stones session. Plus he didn't know at all that they were gonna invite him to join the band until after that day, and he was under the impression that he went into the studio on that day, that he was there to play on one song and only one song. He has stated this story more than once. He found out, I believe it was the next day, that they wanted him to join the band and as he put it, he was shocked by the news. So he had met Keith and MJ only one time before then, that was it. Where would he have had the time to write a song with Keith if he hadn't met him yet in February and in March of '69?... as there is no question the song's new music was started and worked on at that time. The lyrics had been written by Jagger alone in December of '68 after the Rock Circus was made, and as Keith has noted, it was first recorded as "Country Honk" in early January of '69 (but CH was not finished until the next fall). Then a month later the music was changed around and CH became HTW. MT had also told the story that BJ was the first Stone who he met. It was on the day that - in the summer before, when he showed up to look at a guitar Keith was selling. MT has said with that story that only Brian was in the studio the day when he got there, and he introduced him to Stu, who he spoke to and showed him the guitar, and before his death, Stu confirmed the story. But I guess he could have still met Keith later on that day? But not according to Stu, that didn't that happen as Keith wasn't there. I'll also add for the heck of it, that MT, in a newspaper interview, was quoted as saying that he never met Jones before, in a story published in the '90s. But some time after that MT noted that the had been misquoted in that story. What he had actually said to the reporter was that he never played with Brian. But you can bet that some fans read that story of MT saying he never met BJ and then never heard what MT had to say about that article after the story was published.
So that's the thing with the Stones that I think most of us can agree on. There are so many different stories as to what really went down on so many things with this band; one Stone gives one story while another tells the story in yet a totally different way. But in all the years and reports of HTW, the only one I never heard until some time in the last year here, was that MT wrote the music to HTW. Some have said years ago that MT made that song great, and that the lead riff was his, but did MT ever say that? No, he hasn't. So I don't believe that story at all, since he clearly wasn't even know to the band when the song was first written and then mainly recorded by March of '69.
Guess it should be also noted that Taylor wasn't even a Stones fan before he joined. At his audition for the Stones, where it appears he first met the Glimmers, he has stated that after awhile he was ready to leave the studio and wasn't at all impressed with the Glimmers, since they were just sitting around doing nothing after he and Keith played a bit together, and he got bored and was gonna leave, and he again has stated that he had no clue he was auditioning for the band that day, he thought he was there for session work again. But I have never heard in any of MT's interviews or by anybody else inside the band that he wrote the riff to HTW, only that the song was finished with Brian on guitar and was suppose to be released in that way, and that part of the story had been told and reported many times (I believe Jagger even has talked about this). Plus the sessions logs show they recorded it with BJ, too, who's last 2 songs that he worked on were MR, where he played the drums, then on his last 2 days where they also worked on HTW, with him. The entire band has stated this, but what nobody in the band has stated was exactly where the song's music came from.... Other than Keith has indirectly said he came up with the riff. MT on the other hand has talked about songs he wrote with Jagger when Keith was too stoned to work and not around, and he has repeated these same songs over and over again, like the tunes "Moonlight Mile" and "Winter", which he flat out said he wrote the music to and wasn't credited, but he has never once said he wrote HTW, not once. If he had wrote it, you would think he would have said he did, just like he has with the other songs that he repeatedly has said that he wrote and wasn't credited with writing. That's all still a sore spot with him today and if he wrote HTW too, I'd bet he would have said so my now - and he hasn't.
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