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Name: Jaded Faded
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Subject: RE: RE: They absolutely were Hippies!..But...
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2017
Time: 11:54:31 AM
Remote Address: 75.70.52.211
Message ID: 311269
Parent ID: 311266
Thread ID: 311229
Roger that, and no worries--I think we're doing pretty good here expressing ourselves...I suppose I was wrong to just flatly say you were "wrong" as well, since much of this just goes back to what kind of definitions you are operating with and how those can differ from others. I will say that I think a couple here are slightly too hung up on the idea that "You weren't there so your thoughts aren't correct and aren't as relevant." Yes, I wasn't alive back then but I have learned quite a bit through study, reading, and listening, and much of that comes from original source material published in newspapers as well as recollections and academic research from former hippies and former musicians themselves. Just because you were there doesn't mean you got everything right and understood everything perfectly "as it was actually happening." A lot of insight and understanding can come from hindsight even if you were there firsthand to experience it.
And I still believe that while the Stones' music and attitude were anti-establishment and sub-culture, I really don't think there is much to suggest that they embraced or identified with classic counter-culture ideology. I don't really care about looks at all in this discussion, whether they were hippies because of how they looked doesn't interest me at all, what interests me is what they thought and how they approached music and life. And while that might have come out looking like a hippy in terms of clothing according to other's definitions, I think for themselves (and especially Brian) it was just about being totally free to wear what they felt like, to explore and do whatever they felt like, and mostly to not have to follow the life path of their parents. Thus, I disagree that they may have wanted to be seen specifically as hippies. I don't think they wanted to be part of anything. Their names were "disturbance" for the sake of shaking things up, but I don't think they ever wanted to "be" with any group or associated with any doctrine or prescribe ways of being and thinking to other people or anything like that. Does that make sense?
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