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Name: Keno
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Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017
Time: 11:53:20 AM
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It's just a shot away wrote:
MJ/KR made the greedy decision to not give any band mates Royalties/money a long, long time ago.
In some fairness to Jagger/Richards, it was not their decision at first to do this, as that blame lies totally on the shoulders of Andrew Loog Oldham. Remember at first, when the band wrote songs together, they used "Nanker/Phelge" to show credit for the entire band and each member got equal royalties for those songs. It was ALO who changed all of that and who also started the separation between Brian and the Glimmers. Yes he was was the guy who got them to write in the first place, but he was the one who also started some of the tension in the band too. Had he been fired early on, I believe the Stones would have been a closer band.
Fender Bender wrote:
It took Harrison a good long while to get to the point of creating songs as awesome as "Something" and "Here Comes the Sun", which were recorded toward the end of the Beatles' run.
Absolutely, Brian was never given that opportunity, and even the Glimmers grew and became better songwriters because they feed off of each other. BJ never was given a change to do this; he could have been as good as Harrison if given the change to grow. Instead his writing was made fun of and put down. RT is always used as an example of him writing something great, but what about "Gomper"? Yes, the lyrics are too simple and actually ruin the song, but he had nothing to do with them, Jagger wrote them. But Brian wrote all of the music alone, other than Keith (I believe) did his thing in playing the 12 string guitar on there. But the rest of the music was all Brian's creation. He actually helped to bring back a music genre that had been dormant for years before this song was release, and the music was his and yet he got no credit for it. Total BS that the Glimmers did that to him, and remember, ALO was no longer around to blame by the time the song was written.
The Anita thing could have been a factor in ending any further collaboration between the two
Oh, it was, but that was totally a personal thing. At first Brian and Keith tried to separate their work from that mess, but Brian just couldn't get over the loss since she was still there with Keith in the studio.
since Brian never received a proper credit for "Ruby Tuesday", he would likely have been denied that for any subsequent songs as well.
You mean he was denied that after RT. He did stop trying for awhile after RT, yes, but then again no, not totally. As I just noted, "Gomper" was his, plus on several other songs on TSMR, he should have been given writing credit for the music he came up with on his own that saved several songs. "2000 Light Years From Home" is another excellent example from the LP, it was thrown away by the Glimmers and it wasn't gonna even be included on the new album until Brian one day, while the Glimmers weren't in the studio, added in all those spooky different keyboards to it that made the song come alive. He made that song a total hit on his own, and again no credit for his work was given. But the spark that got BJ going on that entire LP was the fact that ALO was gone.... Then on the next LP, he should have been credited for his slide on "No Expectations", another example of his contribution making a song great. That one was a group effort, yet no credit to him or the others, as the Glimmers claimed it for their own, only - again. The very last official ripoff by the Glimmers was in late 1968, with BJ's arrangement of the song YCAGWYW. No Al Kooper on that number and the song would not had been a hit. Kooper was only there in the studio with them only because of Brian, who brought him in to play on the track, but no arrangement credit was given to him for that.
In closing on this, some also argue that in early '69, when he was in the studio for the last time with the band for "Honky Tonk Woman", that the song's arraignment and guitar riff was all Brian's, so that was actually the last ripoff and what left to him leaving the band for good when he asked for credit and wasn't given it. But the claim is disputed, yet BJ's father flat out claimed in a recorded interview that you might have heard, recorded a year after Brian died, that his son played him the guitar riff to the song one day before the song was ever recorded, and he told his father that he wrote the riff and would present it to the band in the next month - and he did. Then after that song was made with BJ on guitar, he never again returned to the studio to be with them again. Just what drove BJ from the studio that day for the final time? Why did BJ leave after that one song was made and in the can? I also now don't believe that all of his guitar work was removed from the final version of the song. They claimed all of Ronnie's guitar work was erased from IORR and Ronnie, years later, flat out said it wasn't so and he can hear his guitar still on that song. But HTW was released the day after BJ was killed, and dead men can't speak, so how do we know for sure his guitar isn't still on there? Knowing the falsehoods coming from the Glimmers about Brian, I won't be surprise if some if his guitar is still on that song to this day.
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