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Name: pluto
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Subject: RE: RE: Play it again George.
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2015
Time: 11:27:21 AM
Remote Address: 92.22.19.137
Message ID: 291087
Parent ID: 291062
Thread ID: 290951
See, you've got me warming up to this JF when there's a million other things I should be doing.
There's many ways it happens, take for example the Stones song you've mentioned 'Get off my Cloud' there are elements in there that you've mentioned, but there is also the using of what could be described as the 'La Bamba' rhythm, and the use of soul chord changes, i.e. the change from D to B, 'a la (apologies to muslim friends) 'Midnight Hour'. Of course that's using riffs and progressions from other sources, and it's amazing how many tunes are pretty much generic deriving from the use of rhythms such as 'La Bamba', 'Bo Diddley beat', or from the double stop playing of Chuck Berry. It's about being imaginative and creative with it to produce something that is new.
Of course there is the almost direct lift of a rift that a band has used previously like the ones we have been talking about in this thread e.g. PIB and the previously unreleased tune on the Exile re issue. Another fine example of that kind of recycling would be Zappas use of the Willie The Pimp riff on 'Flakes' which I think is on the 'Sheik Yerbouti' album (I think it's that one). These are less common uses of recycling, but there are other examples about.
The Beatles examples I gave use something which is interesting and gets used now and then i.e. the exact same notes played in the same order only tied together differently so changing one from the other rhythmically . The other thing about those Beatles examples is, they play in a descending scale, and this is a technique used all over Beatles music, recycled like crazy. While it might not be the same key or set of notes, the pattern is the same. Examples off the top of my head would be, 'Michelle', 'Dear Prudence', 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds', 'Something'. Once you start looking for that descending run you find it all over their music, it's thematic.
It maybe can't be described as recycling a riff, but as someone here said, might have been yourself, they hear 'Satisfaction' in 'Jumping Jack Flash'. I tried it out, and Keith's iconic(I almost said ironic)riff can be played right over the top of the intro to 'Jumping Jack Flash', it fit's right in. If I was a DJ, I would 'sample' it. 'Sampling', there's a great new way of recycling riffs eh?
Someone here ,again it could have been you, said that when Stu talked about his three chord wonders he wasn't far off the mark. Absolutely, and here's the thing, since about late 1969 when open tuning started to dominate his composing and playing, Keith has been recycling the same riff over these three chords. In just about every major(some not so major) tune you'll hear the same ideas. The genius of the man is, he can tweak it just a bit, and make it all sound new and different.
Talking of tweaking it just a bit to recycle, that was a major ploy back in the day when the 45 was king. If you had a hit, very often it was a case of 'well that sold' , and your follow up single was suspiciously like the one before, the one that got you into the charts. There are plenty of examples that I'm sure everyone can think of, an obvious one for me would be the Kinks 'You Really Got Me', and the follow up 'All Day and All of the Night'. I'm sure the Kinks came up with 'You Really Got Me' through trying to play someone else's tune, but I can't remember who's it was. That I guess is, another way riffs get recycled, changed, and come out as something new, like Lennon getting inspiration from the Big O's 'Pretty Woman' to come up with the 'Day Tripper' riff.
Anyway, I'm away to make my dinner before I start on AC fucking DC recycled riffs.
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