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Name: Keno
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Subject: RE: 2 replies in one on Stones and also on JRotten
Date: Monday, August 13, 2012
Time: 11:37:56 AM
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Message ID: 270745
Parent ID: 270742
Thread ID: 270725
DA wrote:
I picked "Gomper" (what's a gomper, Ronnie?) in the Stones poll....
and then SF wrote:
...I voted for Gomper - for all the obvious reasons. One I bet you can definitely pin on some good/bad acid or mushrooms!
I know both of you read my Stones book, and I did answer what a gomper is in there; I think my book was the first one to answer that question.... But knowing what a gomper is still doesn't explain the title in regard to the lyrics! Or does it?.... The word "gomper" can be looked at as Mick Jagger using neologism in his lyrics (something that was becoming a popular thing to do around the time of this song's release), as some have suggested. However, the word isn't a portmanteau, since the meaning of that is 'the combining of two words to make a new word' while "neologism" means just coming up with a new word from nothing - however - in the case of 'Gomper', Mick formed the word from an existing word, but not two words, so maybe there is a separate word-meaning to describe a word that is a combo of both "neologism" and "portmanteau"? Anybody know for sure? I bet there is! ... But anyway, I going a bit off track now... Getting back to the word "gomper", since MJ did take the Buddhist word "gompa" to come up with the title, and gompa means a monastery or hermitage far away from any towns or other people, perhaps the girl noted in the lyrics of the song is a hermit? So that very much could be the case and what the title means. But then again, no, it can't, since a gompa is a building and not a person. So who knows for sure why Mick used that word for the title. Perhaps his friendship with John Lennon had something to do with his writing in that matter?
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DA wrote:
....but I suppose a case could be made for all of these songs. "Turd on the Run" would have been my second choice. What the heck do they mean by that anyway?
Nobody really has the time to deeply look into a song's lyrics, especially a song they might not care too much about, which would describe me and this song. But when I was putting this poll list together early Saturday morning, I took a long look at the very short lyrics to this song, and after that I felt I knew why it was titled as it was. To me anyway, he is calling the girl that the song is about, a turd for leaving him. I almost didn't list the song after I figured this out, but then I realized if you got to stare at a song's lyrics to get to where you think you understand them, then yes, the song still belongs on such a list in regard to the question being asked.
DA asked about "Downtown Suzie"
If Bill didn't name his song, who did?...
and SP answered with:
Wyman's original title of 'Suzie' was something like 'Lyle Street Lucy', which I guess is some sort of local London reference to an area notorious for its hookers(?). I am assuming whatever schmuck in Allan Klein's organization that put together Metamorphosis, is the one responsible for the new title.
and DA also noted in her question And more importantly, what were they smoking at the time and where can we get some?
SP answered the first part of DA's question correct. It was Allan Klein who changed the title of the song, Bill had no clue Klein was even doing that, and Bill was never even asked if the title could be changed! Why did Klein change the title? Perhaps because of the slang word as to what "Lucy" was used for? Na, I find that hard to believe, but if you go with the title Bill wanted to use - "Lyle Street Lucy" (and forget the slang term for it), one might say, he writes in the lyrics about meeting Lucy on Newport St, there is no mention about Lyle St, so even Bill's title made no sense.... or did it? If you go with the slang word "lucy", well.... DA did ask what they were smoking when they came up with the time, and the answer is, Bill was a major pothead when he wrote this song, and yes, most potheads know that "sweet lucy" is one of many slang words used for marijuana. I think there is no question that Bill used a double meaning to this song when you look at some of the lyrics. No question the Lucy in this song is also a hooker, but Bill also writes about "sweet Lucy" more than once. The song opens with "Got the Monday mornin' bill" - does he mean the bill for paying Lucy the prostitute, or the bill for paying for the sweet lucy? He also writes how lucy kicked him in the hole (as weed can do sometimes), and also how he "got a dose now from sweet lucy". That could mean he got VD from Lucy, or it could also mean he got a dose of sweet lucy (aka slang for marijuana). Then Bill talked in an interview once about his getting his weed in the '60s from a friend who lived off a street near Leicester Square, and I understand Lyle Street is nearby. But then again, maybe that is a street where prostitutes hang out, too? Somebody from the UK could answer that question, but again, Bill only notes his meeting Lucy while she was "strollin' down Newport Street".
DA also noted....
The Edge in the rock poll. Johnny Rotten is leading the poll by a wide margin right now, but I don't think he was ever rated that highly.
That's a great - and true point! His (Rotten's) band was overrated, no question, but was he? IMO, no, he was never rated as being a great frontman, just as being insane, so if you go by the poll question, we want to know who was the most overrated and again - not a performer who you just dislike.
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