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Subject: RE: RE: Nanker Phelge
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012
Time: 5:26:53 AM
Remote Address: 184.108.40.206
Message ID: 269230
Parent ID: 269222
Thread ID: 269204
"Too bad after the mid '60s the Glimmers would not allow Nanker Phelge to still get credit, even if the band still was writing music together."
Wasn't that ALO's idea to start with?
Yes, it was his stupid idea at first, but it wasn't like he controlled them 100% and they didn't have to go along with it. It's clear from other things he was suppose to be in control of - that they didn't always listen to him.... The fact he was named the producer on their records when he wasn't doing that would be an example. They didn't listen to what he had to say in the studio when it came to producing, they really produced their own records, along with help from others. So why did the Glimmers listen to him on the song writing credits? Because it made the two of them look good and gave them an edge over the others in the group that they didn't deserve. I mean, okay, they did have that edge in writing lyrics, but not in writing music. Plus I should note that Bill was writing his own lyrics early on too, he perhaps was hurt the most by that shit since he just gave up trying to get his songs recorded. But take the Beatles on this same deal... Lennon and McCartney encouraged George to get involved in writing his own songs. Songs he wrote later on, like "Here Comes The Sun" and "Something" may not had ever been written had they done what the Glimmers did to their bandmates. So who knows what might have happened to Bill if the Glimmers had encouraged him to write in the same way. Instead he and BJ were told their lyrics weren't wanted, or in BJ's case, that he wasn't any good at writing lyrics. Of course in the early '80s, it was Bill (not MJ or Keith) to be the first one of the Stones to score a Top 15 hit as a solo artist with a song he wrote himself.
And if that's the case, once ALO was no longer in the picture, Mick and Keith should have rescinded that unfair policy.
And the first thing they did was that, but only for the sessions after ALO was fired. Bill did get to see two of his songs recorded. But after that they went back to the same old BS and just continued with it when MT joined, not crediting him for his work, and at first they also did it to Ronnie, too, in his case, they did it to him before he was even in the band, taking his solo song IORR away from him and claiming it as their own.
In retrospect it would have been much better for the band.
Of course it would had been. The problems between the Glimmers and BJ were made worst because of their not crediting him for his writing of "Ruby Tuesday"; that one was really it for him and his trying to write lyrics, he never tried again after that. Yet he still came up with music in the studio for them after that, and still wasn't being credited - think "2000 Light Years from Home", Gomper" and "No Expectations". If any one song was a great example of a Nanker Phelge song, it was NE, the entire group wrote the music to it, yet only the Glimmers got credited for it!
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