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Name: Keno
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Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: But they did all died in vain!
Date: Friday, May 07, 2010
Time: 2:38:14 AM
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You think LBJ was happy? Seriously?
What I commented on and the way I used the word - is called a "play-on-words". Do you not know what that means?
Who knows what that asshole LBJ felt? Some say he changed his views on the war after he left the White House. Sometime after LBJ did leave office, he stopped cutting his hair, when he died he had hair as long or longer than those who were protesting the war had. Back then, young people (male and females) totally stopped cutting their hair in protest to the war. So why did the old man grow his? He stayed undercover after he left office, the few who saw him (there are only two photos of him with long hair out there that I know of) noted that he looked just like those who protested against him, and you got to recall, this was the late '60s, no males over 30 back then had long hair. So why did he want to look like the people who hated him and his war? His wife was supposedly quoted as saying he wanted to identify with the hippies (too bad he didn't when he was in office, many young lives would had been saved from that stupid war). But I find that quote hard to believe as being true. Who knows how he actually felt, politicians lie all the time! Heck, many deep down felt he was the one behind killing JFK, too. He had one fucked-up mind, that is all we know for sure about LBJ.
As far as 18 year olds being drafted and killed in Vietnam, what do you think happened in WWII? 18 year olds were drafted in WWII.
Of course, the draft was different back then. Instead of stealing the life of 18 year old boys with forced military service for 4 years, in the 1940s they were only forced to serve 2 years (up until the war started, anyway).
Would you say that their sacrifice was in vein? I doubt it. You probably honor their sacrifice. WWII was "the good war." And why, because we won.
There are (and never will be) no "good wars"! But yes, WW2 was a declared war for the US. We honor the vets from that war because they fought it for a common cause and the entire world was under attack. That wasn't even close to the case in Viet Nam.
Because we went all-out to accomplish a single goal, take 'em out. Find the enemy where he is and fight, fight, fight.
"Fight, fight, fight"?? Dude, I hate to tell you this, but that's the goal of every damn war! Remember the great (I'm sure you don't) anti-draft and war protest song "Alice's Restaurant"? Arlo used different words when he mocked war and the draft "'I want to kill! I mean, I wanna kill! Kill! I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL!' And the Sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy." No, the reason WW2 vets are honored has nothing to do with that at all!
Why don't you view the sacrifices of the Vietnam war's 18 year olds deaths? Because we lost. Since we lost, their loss was for nothing.
A total, 100% bullshit statement if you really believe in that shit! It had nothing to do with winning or losing! It was the fact that they were forced to sacrifice their short lives for fucking NOTHING! Their lives were totally wasted, how can you be so blind to that fact?!
If we won, would you think the same? Probably not.
We didn't win and we had no chance of winning the way the war was fought. But had we won, would that had brought back to life all of those 18 year old dead America boys? No! Their lives still would had been totally wasted if we had won, since deep down we really would not have won anything at all! When you have a loss of life at any age, you don't win in the end.
Someone posted earlier, why do we have to be the "world police?" You know, that reminds me of something called isolationism, it doesn't involve us so why should we care?
Nobody said we don't care! We just don't want to force our 18 year old kids to fight and die in a war in some land they don't live on, don't know about, that is on the other side of the world, and a place we had no business being in. How can you be so blind to this? Maybe because you weren't around back then and was brainwashed by a Nixon lover? Why should our teenage children die in another countries' war? Please explain that to me, you still haven't!
The same applies to Vietnam.
Vietnam and WW2 were two totally different wars and to compare them is foolish and wrong. The only thing in common with the two wars (really, all wars) is they both lead to the same thing - thousands of innocent lives are lost for a bunch of sick leaders.
I view the American Vietnam War as justified. And God bless every American that fought it
What about those protesters who marched against the war and got it to end early, and in turn saved lives - and BTW, they didn't kill anybody (but they got killed themselves)? No blessings for them, too?
You still haven't explained what this pro-war talk of yours has to do with the students at Kent State. Instead of honoring those who were killed 40 years ago for no reason, you piss on their graves with your pro Viet Nam war talk here.... Shame! Plus you bring up the "God" thing to boot! What God are you referring to Ben? I'll assume the same one in the Bible, since that is the one most in the US follow. You ask your God to bless every American that fought in that sick war. But if you go by one of his most important commandments - "Tho shall not kill", well, where does God say it is okay to kill in a war? If you go by your God and his rules, he more than likely send those dead teenage boys straight to Hell, since they killed and broke his main commandment. I'm sure he didn't bless them, as you ask of him. Or do you think he did before he sent them to burn forever in Hell? I mean, you can't have it both way Ben, and according to you believers, your God only said never to kill - he didn't say it was okay to kill in war time - and he didn't take any sides that I know of in Viet Nam, either. So I'm sorry, but you asking God to bless those who killed others doesn't seem to make any sense, just like your weak defense for the US going to war and having their drafted kids killed in that sick and unjustified war makes no sense at all, either.
But I still want to know why you think those kids at Kent State deserved to die on May 4, 1970? You still haven't answered that at all. But please, don't repeat yourself again with you pro-war talk, it has nothing to do with killing innocent kids on their own campus. It only has to do with killing kids in Viet Nam, and I think - well I know, your reasoning is totally wrong. Hard and sad to believe that in 2010 there are still pro-Viet Nam war hawks around. Most of them, years later after the fact, agreed that they were wrong in supporting that war, be it for many on their death beds (guess they figured they would not get to heaven if they didn't see the true light on killing before they died). But you're a young kid and you believe in that crap today? Sad that is the case, and yes, you are the kind who should be in the military, why aren't you?
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